Remington has 2 loads for the 17 Rem. I mean, is it worth leaving the universally celebrated .224-inch bore diameter? Ackley who used it on much larger game, but such use is not typical. I shoot groundhogs with my varmint rifles. Fireball. My rifle was a Remington Model 700 in .17 rem. I like the idea of the 204 but I do not like the idea of going with overlapping rounds. All of the major US ammo manufacturers (Hornady, Remington, Federal and Winchester) now offer .204 factory loads, usually with bullet weights around 32 and 40 grains, and many rifle makers have adopted the cartridge. My 17 Remington Encore (26" barrel) hardly gets any use. that I had rebarreled with a a Ruger stainless .204 barrel. Topped with a 3-12 Burris it does duty out to 125 yards or so. The .204 Ruger was intended primarily for varmint rifles, which require bullets with flat trajectories but not much mass or kinetic energy. Does the .204 Ruger compare favorably to the .22 centerfires? Would this be a better choice then the .17s, for energy impact over longer distances? You might look at either the 20 Tactical or the 20 Practical, I prefer the Tactical because of the excellent Lapua (headspamped Dakota) brass. I did the numbers too in the JBM calculations, 32 grain .204 Z-Max at 4200 FPS vs. 52 grain .223 Sierra Match King at 3500 FPS. There are roughly two dozen centerfire cartridges, in the .17 to .25 bore range, that could be used for long range varmint hunting. Set B 1 204 Ruger 1 223 REM 1 308 WIN . Dad has a .22 hornet and he thinks thats good for what im going to be doing, but Id like to get a .204 ruger. This is the big difference here. I tried to do a search on .204 Ruger, nothing came up. If I were going buy just one of these guns, I suspect I would stick with the 17 HMR. To create the 204 Ruger, the .222 Remington Magnum was necked down to .204”, and the shoulder moved forward and increased the angle to 30 degrees. Remington 700 VLS 204. It's ammo is more expensive than 22lr, but it costs less than either the 204 Ruger or the 17 Remington. The only biggest Magnum was the European which is the lengthened version of the .222 Remington Magnum. I caught a little of a recent post about the .204. The 204 is a different ballgame!!! 32 grain projectile at 4000fps+ vs 17 grain at 2550+! The .17 Remington was introduced in 1971 by Remington Arms Company for their model 700 rifles.. The .204 Ruger is a carefully designed and well balanced cartridge into which a lot of thought was put. My 204 Ruger shoots a V-max 40gr bullet flatter at 400yds them my 22-250 pushing a 50 gr bullet. Its longevity is assured. Id like to get a .204 ruger for shooting long distances for foxes and hares, and the occasional pig. Two altogether different beasts!!! v -max 4 coyote DRT ( dead right there ) no pass thru 1 fox couple exit holes need sewn / not as bad as 17 holes You hit bone get out the needle. Post by camoclad » Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:58 am I have 1 and am fairly pleased with it. I have a .223 Remington in an AR 15 with a 24" barrel, and a .204 Ruger in an AR15 with a 24" barrel. The cartridge is a centerfire rifle shell casing based off the .222 Remington Magnum design with a small rifle primer. Available in .204 Ruger, .223 Remington and the .22-250 Remington, the Savage 110 is also well-suited for coyote hunters who like using cartridges with a really high muzzle velocity and the flat trajectory possible. Discussion Starter • #1 • May 28, 2009 (Edited) what are some of the ups and downs of these two calibers and what bullets are best shot out of them? Fireball. Win A FDE Barrett M107A1 .50 BMG Rifle w/ EOTech Vudu Scope ($15000 Value!) One more thing that was mentioned, no ricochet with the 204 bullets. Technically, the .204 Ruger was created jointly by Ruger and Hornady in 2004. As a practical matter, only five of these are, or are likely to be, heavily used for the purpose: the .204 Ruger, .223 Remington, 22-250 Remington, .243 Winchester and .25-06 Remington. Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:17 pm.204 Ruger Guns: Remington700 SSLV 21" fluted barrel. Why is Remington pushing the 17 Rem. Shoot SYSTEM. Everything favored the faster .204 bullet. Centerfire vs rimfire. #1679401 - 09/23/10 08:44 AM Re: 17 fireball vs. 204 ruger [Re: Kracker] Brendan43 Die Hard Member II Registered: 12/10/07 Posts: 1307 Loc: Meridian,Idaho For coyote, a .204 will pack more punch. 17 Remington Fireball 204 Ruger Remigton 700 VTR 3 Rifle Hunt . Set A 1 17 REM FB 1 223 REM 1 308 WIN . Fireball. Remington 700 VS .204 Ruger Description: Remington 700 VS .204 Ruger, 26" bull bbl, bright shiny bore, good rifling, compensator, blued finish, Swarovski 4-16X50 HABICHT rifle scope, jeweled bolt, black H&S Precision grip stock, adjustable LOP - Comb, and three accessory studs. Fireball so hard? 17 Hornet 20gr. If you are talking about the .17 Remington it is because the .204 has a ton of bonuses like cheaper ammo, longer barrel life, less fowling, less cleaning is required, better ballistic coefficient, and better bullet choice. A Beautiful "Hard to Find" Hunting . I sighted mine in at 175 yds and with factory ammo I can place 5 rounds touching each other at those kinds of distances. Well, with equal bullet weights, my favorite .22-250 Remington can beat the muzzle velocity of the .204 Ruger, but the Ruger will pull away from the .22-250 at longer ranges due to the superior ballistic coefficient. V-max - 5 fox - 4 of the 5 need sewn from large exit holes 1 coyote chest shot at 100 yards spun & run no recovery 204 Ruger 40 gr. .17 Hmr, .17 rem Fireball or .204 ruger.? ! BP-B2 Re: For fur---204 Ruger or 17 Remington? and only 1 load for the 17 Rem. The .204 Ruger was designed in 2004 by Ruger and Hornady manufacturers. Downsides of 17 WSM I have and love both a 17HMR and .204 Ruger. However, a fox is a very different animal. 17 Remington vs. .204 Ruger. Why might one choose a .204 over the 17 Remington, other than for possible bullet availability? I have 22LR 22 Hornet 223 Rem 243 Win and I am not sure where the 204 fits in. Shooting SYSTEM . With the smaller 30 and 32 grain bullets, recoil is almost non existant with a heavy barrel - on par with or better than a .22LR , in my opinion. Component Economy and Barrel Life--All the Twenties burn way less powder than a 22-250, and the smaller Twenties use less powder than a .223 Rem. Remington doesn't even chamber a rifle for the 17 Rem. Sure don't know that from experience though. Assuming a 200-yard zero for both cartridges, and using a 20-grain bullet for comparative purposes, the .17 Remington will hit about two inches higher at 300 yards than will the .17 Hornet (4.6 inches of drop for the Remington vs. 6.4 inches for the Hornet), yet in the hands of an experienced rifleman, that difference can easily be accounted for. The .204 Ruger is the second largest casing in its class behind the 5.6x50 Magnum. The .204 is based on the .222 Remington Magnum case necked to accept .204-inch bullets, the shoulder was moved forward for increased capacity, and the shoulder angle was changed from 23 to 30 degrees. DRT your taking something home. A: The .204 Ruger is basically the .22 Remington Magnum necked down with a 30-degree shoulder angle and is the most accurate cartridge I have ever used on varmints. The Remington Model 700™ VS SF™ II in 204 Ruger,22-250 Remington,223 Remington,220 Swift,17 Remington Fireball is built on the standard 700 Model Remington. Effective range at 150 yards vs 300+! The ribcage is no bigger around than a housecat's. but they chamber 8 rifles in the 17 Rem. It is based on the .223 Remington case necked down to .172 in (4.37 mm), with the shoulder moved back. And I prefer the 20 var-Targ shooting 32gr V-maxs over my 17 Remington or my 17 Mach IV. One of these days Hornady, Sierra, Nosler is going to come out with a 20 cal polymer tipped bullet in 55-60 grains that will be a PD's worst nightmare. Looking at the ballistics, the 17 Rem. You'll find the data in the chart below. By Gary Zinn. looks better then the 17 Rem. 3 Rifle SYSTEM $2395 $395 DownPayment. 204 Ruger or 17 Remington - posted in Guns, Loads, Optics and Gear for Varmint Hunting: Was thinking of getting either a 17 Remington or 204 Ruger but could not decide which one to go with. I don't have much luck with the search engine here. The 204 Ruger was built from the .222 Remington Magnum, the second biggest case in the family. Add 3% for Credit Card Shipping $40.00 Price: $1,899.00 The .204 fills the gap between the tiny centerfire .17-caliber … The 17 WSM makes for a decent coyote gun, carrying more energy much further, and the 25 grain bullet gives an option for more weight/penetration of larger varmints. Re: .22-250 vs .204 Ruger vs .22 Hornet I have a .204 Ruger in the Savage 12FV (heavy barrel, Accu-Trigger)) and I don't feel any recoil al all. [Re: DakotaDeer] #6011346 01/07/12: Joined: … Run the numbers and you'll see--a 40-grainer shot from a .204 Ruger has less drop AND less wind drift than a 40gr or 50gr bullet fired from a .223 Rem. For those that have used both, do you see any difference in fur saving between the 204 Ruger and the 17 Remington? Remington chose NOT to give their 223's 50 grain AccuTip offering a 200 yard zero INSTEAD referenced it at 250 yards for that bullets zero - even with the 250 yard zero the 204 Ruger zeroed at 200 yards BESTS the 223's 50 grain AccuTip 500 yard drop with its 28.1" drop vs 37.5" drop in the 223!! I also shoot a Savage Striker in 17HMR. 4 Posts . This is a small caliber gun for varmint to be used mainly around the farm or pastures. It was designed exclusively as a varmint round, though it is suitable for smaller predators.There are those such as P.O. For me it depends on the game I am targeting. From close range out to 350 yards. Click Here To Enter. Hornady and Ruger based their 5mm hotrod on the .222 Remington Magnum case by simply necking it down to .204 inches, moving the shoulder forward and increasing its angle to 30 degrees. 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